[Drizzt]

[crewman]

Thanks very much Drizzt!
This is a huge development, and although 7.3 was to be final version ... having BG's recycle after disbandment will allow players to use Morale "off" option for the GC and Ops. And works for Morale "on" of course.

Since I believe the GC should be played with Morale "off" ... I think it's best to make a 7.4 version with your guys' fix for Recycled BG's option.

Thanks a million ScnelleMeyer and Drizzt!

[Drizzt]

No, no wait: I have tested what Scnellemeyer said and the allied Bg has returned yes, but it has returned where it has been disbanded (it has returned on an axis Big supply depot!) occupying that map in a completely "innatural" way. No, this is not a good solution, in my opinion.

Drizzt

P.S. So it continues to be valid what I have written some posts ago about the central role of supply route in LSA in relation to the return of the Bgs (Bgs returns if they have a supply route because they are in their own big supply depot maps), because this option:
"# BGs that start on a friendly depot map can only reform on maps linked to starting map by friendly depots"

In my opinion should be left to 1 considering what I have tested.

[crewman]

Oh, that is not a good solution. I misunderstood that recycle BG's was now working correctly.

I'll continue with 7.3 as final version, unless somehow recycle BG's works as expected.

Thanks Drizzt

[Drizzt]

Yes but at least one thing it's clear: it continues to be valid what I have written(/tested) some posts ago about the central role of supply route in LSA in relation to the return of the Bgs: Bgs return if they have a supply route because they are in their own big supply depot maps if "Recycle Disbanded BGs (0 = Never come back, 1 = Return next day)" option is set to 1.
It's anyway better than nothing.

Drizzt

[ScnelleMeyer]

[Drizzt]

Yes ScnelleMeyer, but the problem are battlegorups that don't start on their big supply depots. In TLD a problem like this doens't exist (I mean with the option we speak about set to 1). In LSA we seem obliged "to do a choice" (the less worse choice about options, and/or rework ops/campaigns carefully keeping in mind these things).

Anyway, as it works for now, best choice is:
# Recycle Disbanded BGs (0 = Never come back, 1 = Return next day)
1
# BGs that start on a friendly depot map can only reform on maps linked to starting map by friendly depots
1
# Maximum distance from starting map a BG can look for a supply depot to reform on (-1 for unlimited)
-1

Then the campaigns/ops they must be reworked (if/when necessary) to let the battlegroups to return (if you have reason). Considering that in LSA exist static battlegroups, maybe it's not a so forbidding/denaturalizing rework.

Drizzt

[ScnelleMeyer]

I understand Drizzt. To bad Matrix chose to change it like this in LSA.

[Drizzt]

I'm thinking... using wisely this option : "# Maximum distance from starting map a BG can look for a supply depot to reform on (-1 for unlimited)" (not "-1" value: it must be decided carefully. Probably 1 or 2, not more)

and reworking the grand campaign (and ops if necessary) adding a big depot for allied paratropers and putting german troops on their big depots maybe all can work.
Of course, as I have said, it can be a bit a denaturalizing rework (about mod), but it can be managed. After all, option above it's excellent to add more big depots with separated Bgs entry zones (like with allied paratroopers towards regular troops on the beaches).

Drizzt

[Pete]

Interesting observations you have posted here. The problem I have when testing Ops in the Rhineland mod is that axis paratrooper battle groups do not return at all. Other BG types return the next turn. Do you guys have the same problem?
Of course, I could change the paratroopers to infantry type bg's but that would not be an entirely satisfactory solution.

[ScnelleMeyer]

That is strange Pete. I have done tests in stock LSA with Allied AB before and they came back.

Tested just now with German Fallschirmjager BG and they came back too. - I believe the settings for BGs return is a generic setting affecting all BGs in play.

[Drizzt]

[Pete]

Just played an Op without FJ bg. The bg not returning after rout is a bg starting on a friendly map without supply depot and which starting map was occupied after it routed. This was also the case with the FJ bg's. A different bg started on a friendly map without depot and did return to a depot map. So the problem is not linked to bg type.
Settings I am using:
# Recycle Disbanded BGs (0 = Never come back, 1 = Return next day)
1
# BGs retreat on rout (0 = disband on rout, 1 = retreat on rout)
1
# BGs that start on a friendly depot map can only reform on maps linked to starting map by friendly depots
1  ( I will change this to 0 and try again)
# Maximum distance from starting map a BG can look for a supply depot to reform on (-1 for unlimited)
6 (Should be sufficient but I am changing it to -1)

[Drizzt]

[Pete]

# BGs that start on a friendly depot map can only reform on maps linked to starting map by friendly depots
1  
Changed 1 to 0 and now the bg in question returns next day  to the starting map.... which is not a supply depot. Not what I am looking for in my Operations.

[Drizzt]

[stiener]

interesting Gents