Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine?
Not only are we seeing massive proliferation of camera use, we're seeing drone and remote weapon systems use expansion as well.
It will be interesting to see what types of defences countries will develop to fight these two weapons. I imagine there will be a large frequency jamming and component as well as frequency direction finding component. These tools already exist but probably not as robust as it needs to be when witnessing the amount of weapons relying on frequencies in the Ukraine.
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the International Media including EU President Leyen inspected grave sites at Bucha.
They all watched at claimed artillery strike at kindergarden in Luhanska Stanytsia in February, which was later revealed as complete ukrainian hoax. Some of journalist there had Afghan, Iraq, Syria experience, so they had first-hand knowledge how the results of heavy shell hit actually looks like. But nobody said a word against ukrainian official version. Same will be now. Already all western media agreed with official ukraine version of Kramatorsk railway station missile strike, while even ukrainian media asking questions, why the missile came from west and not east.
"Complete Ukrainian Hoax"?
Sources please, I assume it was the usual Kremlin sources which nobody outside of Russia takes serious. They have lied countless times.
As far as train station strike, it was air strike not missile. Ukraine has very poor high altitude anti-aircraft defenses. If plane(s) circled target area for more accurate strike it would come from different direction. Also Russian media continues to promote ridiculous lies that Ukraine wants to kill its own citizens to get more support from international community. Nobody believes this rubbish except for maybe half the people in Russia and maybe China.
Do you think Ukraine executed their own people in Bucha? Do you think Russia (Stalin) killed Poles at Katyn or was that fake also?
Do you think Ukraine executed their own people in Bucha?
The Bucha story is complex. The town likely already suffered in war, both during capture in february and in numerous ukraininan counter-offensives, being a front-adjusted territory. Then both sides lied about dates of its freeing, likely even in 1st of April the town was still a disputed territory (news from official site of Russian ministry of defense - http://web.archive.org/web/20220401232919/https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12415627@egNews ). Some of locals 'could' act on the side of Ukraine and do something stupid, like shooting to column`s end. So they was 'on principle' pulled out of hiding and killed. Then the Ukrainian special forces stepped into town, and start 'zachistka' like Ukrainian news was titled http://web.archive.org/web/20220402164828/https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2022/04/2/7336657/ , with likely executions of pro-russian 'traitors', such occasions was confirmed by Dnepropetrovsk mayor in his telegram channel (he in close links with nationalists 'battalions'). Generally, Ukraine already had enough material for news, but for ordinary, 'normal' news from war: dead, ruins, stains of fight. But someone on ukrainian side decide, that they need a new Srebrinitsa for news, and they start creating similar scenes for media, with war-torn city had boulevard with tens of locals just relaxing on the rural street with childrens and bicycles. Their bodies claimed as lay right on the road for three weeks - russain army did not use the road? They OK with smell and shiny looks of valleys of dead? That was their first war, BTW, unlikely usual ambience for young soldiers. And mass graves was dig, but that bodies was not buried for three weeks?
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Do you think Russia (Stalin) killed Poles at Katyn or was that fake also?
Same shit - i do not believe neither Hitler's version, not Soviet. Both are full of contradictions. Whatever shit happen, nobody really interested in search of truth - because it will hurt all the sides.
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine?
Complex answer I did not see yes or no to my questions. Trending towards "no" for both answers.
Bucha has is very very simple. Russian soldiers used scorched earth tactics and were angry about heavy losses. They are indoctrinated 24 x 7 on Russian State Media and by their commanders to hate the Ukrainians and that they are Nazi's. Russian soldiers according to witnesses went house to house searching for adult males under 60 and executed them. It's factually not accurate to claim Bucha had "pro-Russian" population large enough to justify execution of 400+ civilians without a single witness or evidence to prove. Large Russian ethnic populations simply don't exist in Kiev suburbs - and even if they did no proof they would want to fight for Russia.
As far as Katyn, the Soviet government eventually did acknowledge responsibility along with Yeltsin-era Russian Federation. But refused to acknowledge it was war crime based on grounds the perpetrators were dead anyway.
Even if for agrument's sake this was some type of fake news....still doesn't make any sense. We all knew the Germans were focused on genocide of Jews, not rounding up 22K Polish officers for mass executions. Whereas Stalin was notorious many times for his distrust of bourgeoisie or aristocracy type classes. Stalin even purged is own Soviet officer corps due to this paranoia to make sure loyalty to the Party and his political agenda.
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine?
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They are indoctrinated 24 x 7 on Russian State Media and by their commanders to hate the Ukrainians and that they are Nazi's.
You largely overestimate power of state media in Russia. Their main auditory are people 45+. 20-years old soldiers may be indoctrinated only by some TikTok blogger like Milokhin or DAVA (attention - wear protective equipment to avoid hurt of ears and eyes!), they do not watch TV or read newspapers at all, not leaving their smartphones.
They are indoctrinated 24 x 7 on Russian State Media and by their commanders to hate the Ukrainians and that they are Nazi's.
You largely overestimate power of state media in Russia. Their main auditory are people 45+. 20-years old soldiers may be indoctrinated only by some TikTok blogger like Milokhin or DAVA (attention - wear protective equipment to avoid hurt of ears and eyes!), they do not watch TV or read newspapers at all, not leaving their smartphones.
dj rhetoric makes me think that he, like the majority in the West, considers Russians to be some kind of barbarians who have not seen a smartphone but watch TV, play the balalaika and feed bears with vodka)
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine?
Words are being put in my keyboard that I never said. I never said all Russians are barbarians or all brainwashed. Yes I do agree that the State media (or Partisan politically biased media in United States) is extremely effective at indoctrinating older people. Also people with no education aka "low information" people can be radicalized quite easily on social media and taught to hate with minimal effort.
This was my point, that Military commanders can also teach their squads to hate Ukrainian people and encourage violence or retribution. Especially when you see the dead bodies and tank wrecks of your comrades littering the streets in dangerous urban combat zones. As far as the masses in Russia, I do know many of the educated people in cities are trying to flee Russia. However I have seen translations to English of Russian media showing how radicalized people have become to believe Nazi's are in Ukraine and in charge of Government.
Also witnesses in Bucha said Russians were going house to house asking for names and addresses of where the Nazi's lived. I think Russian commanders are using Nazi cover story as justification to commit atrocities and reprisals against civilian populations.
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:26 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine?
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As far as the masses in Russia, I do know many of the educated people in cities are trying to flee Russia.
Well, there are flee remains of Putin`s opposition, making only a grant to his power and increasing the migrant pressure to EU and its satellites. That people compare themselves with White emigration after 1917s. For me such a comparison offends White emigration.
Ukraine war propaganda already switched from igniting anti-war protests (seeing how the potential fuel for that protests leaking out) to threats, including ISIS-styled videos, they use garbage advert networks to spread it on sites like porn, counterfeit assets e-shops and pirate soft resources.
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However I have seen translations to English of Russian media showing how radicalized people have become to believe Nazi's are in Ukraine and in charge of Government.
There ARE Nazis in Ukraine, and people support the government and army of their country. Like US people mostly supported their government and army in wars after 9/11, despite any controversies. Ukrainians support their government and army in last 8 years, despite shelling of Donbass and apartheid-like law coming after law. I'm cannot remember any REAL antiwar protests in Kyiv since 2015 (not count some Medvedchik-organized doll theaters).
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:21 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine?
Thank you for proving my point. The majority of the Russian population I do believe thinks the same, that Nazi's are in Ukraine and in charge of the government. Let's be honest and just admit that the Russian military indeed did commit the atrocities in Bucha. Simply because the Russian soldier did in fact believe Nazi's were in Bucha, thus why witnesses explained they were searching for Nazi's and demanding locations of them.
No that is incorrect. Even the Afganistan War was opposed by Bernie Saunders and Barbara Lee. The opposition to the Iraq war of 2003 was fierce. Even Trump was very vocal about his rejection of the Iraq War. George Bush should be in jail for war crimes and lying about fake weapons of mass destruction that never existed. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 or Afganistan even. Many Americans have friends of family whom died or suffered severe casualties. Friend of my family was here on leave , then when he returned back to Iraq was KIA.
Same thing is going to happen again in Russia, This time much worse than Afganistan. People in Russian eventually will learn the truth that their government are blood thirsty liars, committed war crimes, and caused the death and suffering of tens of thousands of Russian soldiers. Now the Rubble is being propped up in desperation and eventually will completely crash and Russian people will suffer greatly. I see the huge lines in the news looks just like final days of USSR.
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:56 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine?
Ukrainian troops get killed by Russian T-72B3 from very close, they thought their area was secure and safe until a Russian tank payed them a visit. Location and date undisclosed.
Moments before this event, where a group of unsuspecting Ukrainian soldiers who captured a Russian BMP get shelled by two approaching Russian tanks (not even 10-20m away from them).
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I did not see yes or no to my questions. Trending towards "no" for both answers.
