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dj

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

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I understand, that even if whole Biden`s family will be convicted for corruption, you will still have a good words for them. Done.

...after exactly two years after Bucha, we unlikely see any investigations at all.

...American intelligence is in Ukrainian conflict itself in front of US at all (and with no Congress approvals or even hearings, of course), so their words costs as wooden nicle. Highly unlikely that was an ISIS. ISIS fighters will not tried to flee, they likely will take hostages, use media coverage to spread their word, and tried to explode with hostages during police storm, like was in Bataclan theatre 2015. Same with Chechen separatists during Nord-Ost in 2002. Here terrorists act synchonycally, like on clock, do not tried to take hostages, and leave scene just after 40 minutes. Their trace to border to Ukraine is suspicious...


No...that is not correct.  Why do you think I would support anyone if "convicted" for corruption?  I'm against corruption regardless of who commits it.  And let's not conflate Partisan court of public opinion bolstered by Kremlin Propaganda campaigns with actual real conviction in Court of Law.  Before anyone is "convicted" in our lands, the Government prosecutors must show probable cause with hard evidence. So the problem with your Kremlin argument to magically conflate Hunter and Joe as grand conspriacy after years of investigations is that it was dependent on Russian intelligence asset whom pled guilty.  Alexander Smirnov was suppose to the the star witness whom admitted to getting his information from 4 Russian Intelligence officials in November 2023.  (See page 32 from the actual Court indictment)

https://www.justice.gov/sco-weiss/media/1338741/dl?inline=&utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery
 
United Nations and International Court have indeed conducted investigations for war crimes committed by Putin regime.  And arrest warrants have been announced.  Would your country ever reveal details of an ongoing criminal investigations?  Like the six foreign journalists whom were just arrested last week alone?  Actually the Russian Courts do not even have trial dates scheduled for suspects, let alone make evidence of active investigations public.  The whole purpose of ICC is to investigate crimes against humanity and war crimes.  It is illegal according to Geneva convention to torture civilians or Prisoners of War.  The sick and injured must be taken care.  It is also war crime to intentionally target civilian infrastructure and residential apartment buildings.

As far as the savage terror attack at Moscow theater, there again lies serious problems with the Kremlin accounts.  Like Paratmar said, the actual charges/evidence is solely dependent on whatever the Courts decide upon.  Later, yes I did see the interrogation videos of suspect.  His ethnicity certainly did not appear to be Ukrainian.  Then Putin switched his story and finally did say attack was due to radical Islamists.  But the problem with that argument, similar to Smirnov scam, is trying to make it credibly linked to Ukraine.  There's just no way Ukraine would sign off on such a plot.  IF and that's a big if they had money, why waste time attacking useless target?  Would they want to hit military or strategic target instead?  And how would they "escape" from wolf's liar deep in the heart of Russia in Moscow all the way to Ukraine?  Doesn't seem plausible.  

We call these Terrorist "cells" in our land.  They typically have very limited resources as every Intelligence agency in the developed world is constantly hunting them.  So of course they would have liked to have taken hostages, bomb or create more widespread damage.  But presumably this was the best they could do.  And very typical of cowardly acts committed by these thugs is to attack defenseless civilians.  I don't think Ukraine would ever do such a thing.  Drones, missiles or air strikes?  Yes, but not this.
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paratmar

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Version about the role of the CIA in the terrorist attack in Moscow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NTzXuep99s&t=0s&ab_channel=TheJimmyDoreShow
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dj

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

You can't conflate some idiot posting YouTube videos based on Partisan opinions with facts.  Opinions of some random guy talking do not equal facts.  YouTube is one of the worst sources of information.  Unless you need DIY help with car repairs or other such info.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

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Like the six foreign journalists whom were just arrested last week alone?

They russians - https://www.foxnews.com/world/six-russian-journalists-detained-authorities-include-one-covered-navalny
 
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IF and that's a big if they had money, why waste time attacking useless target?

Ask her: https://meduza.io/feature/2024/01/22/mne-bolno-i-stydno-chto-moimi-rukami-ustroili-terakt  (this is opposition media, banned in Russia)


https://www.facebook.com/navy.mil.gov.ua/posts/pfbid028d5ujzLG6sUPATs9v613KAmoKFcsYNQiwvDLf9a7c8ijzZUySoxzZ2Lr9Nxjyapzl
So french army in Ukraine is not just a joke, many signs of actual preparations.
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paratmar

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2024 4:35 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

dj wrote (View Post):
You can't conflate some idiot posting YouTube videos based on Partisan opinions with facts.  Opinions of some random guy talking do not equal facts.  YouTube is one of the worst sources of information.  Unless you need DIY help with car repairs or other such info.
The main mistake of Homo Sapiens Sapiens - is to consider oneself smarter than others. To understand the World of Post-Truth, we need more different opinions about "the fakes"...ooops..."the facts"). Our task is to evaluate them in different points of view and form our own opinion. IMHO.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 8:38 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

One of five suspects testified he was proposed 500 000 RUR, i.e. 5 500 USD. So we have merely 6% of sum proposed to Kuzminov for his betrayal, terrorism never was so cheap.

Meanwhile: https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/6609660 . Taste of Christianity love i guess
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Bungarra

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:43 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

With a couple of live wires up my ass I'd tell you what you want to hear also....


You know if you don't live it.... You can't give it.
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pvt_Grunt

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2024 9:08 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

A lot of rubbish posted here...

Let us not forget  - Russia invaded an independent sovereign state

Let us not forget - Russia shot down a civilian airliner with 239 humans onboard

Let us not forget Russia has stolen Ukrainian children

Let us not forget Russia has killed countless Ukrainian civilians with missiles, bombs ,and starvation like Holodomor

Let us not forget Russia lied about the "Little Green Men" in Crimea

Let us not forget Russia lied about Navalny's death

Let us not forget Russia poisoned Skripal in England then lied about it.

Russia has just held the most laughable "election" in the history of facist propaganda  

JFFulcrum, paratmar and others you keep trying to muddy the waters with Telegram posts and Youtube videos to distract us, classic Russian misinformation!

Step back and look at the big picture to clear the air and the mind - it is so clear that Russia lies, cheats, kills, murders to get its own way.

Everyone step back from the bullshit posted and look at the big picture... Russia is an evil country and MUST be stopped before they invade Poland, Moldova, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia or any other sovereign country Putin decides to take next!

Dictators do not stop with appeasement - only with force!

Like many people I am sick and tired of your constant excuses and garbage. Just FUCK OFF back to your own country and leave the rest of the world alone!
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paratmar

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2024 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

There is no need to be so nervous, everything is just beginning, the main "fun" is ahead. Unfortunately.
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mooxe

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2024 9:40 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

pvt_Grunt wrote (View Post):
A lot of rubbish posted here...

Let us not forget  - Russia invaded an independent sovereign state

Let us not forget - Russia shot down a civilian airliner with 239 humans onboard

Let us not forget Russia has stolen Ukrainian children

Let us not forget Russia has killed countless Ukrainian civilians with missiles, bombs ,and starvation like Holodomor

Let us not forget Russia lied about the "Little Green Men" in Crimea

Let us not forget Russia lied about Navalny's death

Let us not forget Russia poisoned Skripal in England then lied about it.

Russia has just held the most laughable "election" in the history of facist propaganda  

JFFulcrum, paratmar and others you keep trying to muddy the waters with Telegram posts and Youtube videos to distract us, classic Russian misinformation!

Step back and look at the big picture to clear the air and the mind - it is so clear that Russia lies, cheats, kills, murders to get its own way.

Everyone step back from the bullshit posted and look at the big picture... Russia is an evil country and MUST be stopped before they invade Poland, Moldova, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia or any other sovereign country Putin decides to take next!

Dictators do not stop with appeasement - only with force!

Like many people I am sick and tired of your constant excuses and garbage. Just FUCK OFF back to your own country and leave the rest of the world alone!


When cornered the usual excuses come out like rapid fire. Whataboutism, nuclear war, Nazis, they are all animals, they are our brothers, its a civil war, Ukraine is not a country, Ukraine has no culture etc etc. This is by design. This pattern is not recognizable to these indoctrinated.

You can get an idea of what Russians are exposed to at https://www.youtube.com/@russianmediamonitor & https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wrF7zvj_GLs

Some will say they use Telegram as their main source for updates on the war but the entire country is influenced by state media and fear which in turn influences opinions on Telegram. What's the main reason Telegram is so popular in Russia? The answer is not compatible to the indoctrinated. At the very least Telegram in some cases is showing the real effects of the war the Russian media cannot cover. I briefly remember something about how the creator of Telegram is living in self exile but has been working with Russian authorities, likely to assist opening back doors into the encrypted app.


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dj

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2024 4:36 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

A lot of rubbish indeed.

In Russia, I know it may not be safe to speak freely even with VPN.  Like the many Russian journalists whom magically kept falling off bridges or buildings.  And the six more whom were just sent to Prison on false charges.

There are not 2 sides to facts.  Russia is extremely isolated now even Sweden wants to join NATO, they were not even in World War I or 2.  Only friends of Russia are the worst Police-State countries Iran, North Korea and China.

Oh dear, nephew of Putin ally got caught laundering money and financing Trump's Truth Social. Russia gets caught yet again.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/03/trump-media-es-family-trust-2022-loans
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paratmar

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2024 10:11 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Thank God that at least in Australia, Canada and the USA they know and watch Russian media. Although in vain because it is dangerous for the psyche). 70% of Russians get their news from the remaining 30% who are interested in it.
It’s very funny for locals to read foreigners’ opinions about Russia.
Excuses for those who blame Russia for what they themselves have succeeded in will no longer help. The War of Independence has begun and is going well so far. Deus Vult! Twisted Evil
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mooxe

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

paratmar wrote (View Post):
Thank God that at least in Australia, Canada and the USA they know and watch Russian media. Although in vain because it is dangerous for the psyche). 70% of Russians get their news from the remaining 30% who are interested in it.
It’s very funny for locals to read foreigners’ opinions about Russia.
Excuses for those who blame Russia for what they themselves have succeeded in will no longer help. The War of Independence has begun and is going well so far. Deus Vult! Twisted Evil


We see right here some light whataboutism and a new reason for the war.

I forgot to add one excuse to the list.. "we learned this behavior from the west."

What in this war can Russia take responsibility for? I ask only to begin to form a basis of facts built on the notion Russians are not infallible. Can anyone answer?


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paratmar

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2024 11:42 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

The weapons will now ask questions.

And the West’s excuses will not help. This is now the “brave new world,” but on new terms.

Carthago delenda est.
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dj

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Doesn't make any sense.  Excuses for what?  

Former American Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul (friends of the Navalny's) said the "new" Russia is actually worse than the late Soviet Union.  I would agree certainly worst than the post-Stalin era.  Late Soviet Union leaders would at least denounce war criminal Stalin and tried to comply with Geneva Convention.  And he monitors Russian television to tell me they continue to spread lies.  

Don't forget Paratmar, your country has no independent media.  They may appear that way to you in their Curated television programs to average Russians.  But make no mistake, Dictatorships only have State-controlled media.  Which means you won't even have access to facts unless sources of free Russians like the Moscow Times.  Or Russians living in exile whom ore sort of free to speak.  Except like the Russian FSB agent jailed in Germany whom tried to kill Georgian in exile living there.
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paratmar

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2024 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

No offense, DJ, but there are no questions or complaints against you at all. You seem like a good, albeit naive, person.

Questions will be addressed to representatives of the “old school”, typical bearers of Naglo-Saxon morality. It’s even a pity that there are fewer and fewer of them, a cunning, arrogant and cynical opponent is always good, as it keeps you on your tonus.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Code:
 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wrF7zvj_GLs

[sarcasm ON]
He is probably only citing western strategies of overcome Russia: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/in-depth-research-reports/report/strategy-of-constrainment/  , https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/strategy-west-needs-beat-russia/626962/  , https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/02/u-s-russians-putin-regime-change-00013249
 [sarcasm OFF]
Actually, its great that information war study programs return to russian education system. Previous attempt was sunken by, probably, real 'enemies of nation', just how in 1930s that was not a total imagination by Stalin.  

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I briefly remember something about how the creator of Telegram is living in self exile but has been working with Russian authorities, likely to assist opening back doors into the encrypted app.

Durov is hiding in Dubai from US pressure on ground of cryptocurrency fraud. Being russian, he probably choose to trade with russian authorities that with US ones. Especially after US pressure on TikTok.

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Russia is extremely isolated now even Sweden wants to join NATO, they were not even in World War I or 2.

That is not true. Africa, Arab world, most of Asia remain or even increase links with Russia, from making money of 'gray' russian oil&gas or breach of western sanctions, to get some political trades in relations with West. For them, the more US&NATO is busy with Russia, the larger is their freedom to deal with local area issues and took some grounds on own independence.

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What in this war can Russia take responsibility for? I ask only to begin to form a basis of facts built on the notion Russians are not infallible. Can anyone answer?

Probably we prefer to NOT take any responsibility at all. It works good for West in decades, and even for Israel, China, India, Pakistan, etc. May be after 100 years some Russian president will made an apology with crocodile tears about something bad happened to someone, like https://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/10/01/us.guatemala.apology/index.html  
The real question is  - how Putin plans to build-up relations with ukrainians in case of some kind of 'victory'. Of course, switching TV programmes to opposite will do a lot of work (like it did well in Ukraine after 2014), 10 mil mostly pro-nationalis population fled to Europe will help greatly too, but after visiting some 'liberated' places in person, it definitely will not be enough. And it is a mystery for me...probably Russia will face an british-irish relations at its worst. Like Poles before and during WW1.

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Don't forget Paratmar, your country has no independent media.  They may appear that way to you in their Curated television programs to average Russians.  But make no mistake, Dictatorships only have State-controlled media.

Russian state is just a biggest capitalist. It for 20 years financed opposition media like 'Echo Moskvy' to make sure not a dime will miss their pockets. Some other media exists even now, like 'Life' or 'Tsargrad', owned by other capitalists, in some opposition to Putin, because opposition to Putin is not only that bunch of so-called 'liberal' freaks on western NGOs basement, about whom exclusively you heard in western media. Independent media still are exists in West, but their influence is minimal over capitalists media: https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/futureofmedia/index-us-mainstream-media-ownership  , https://commonreader.wustl.edu/how-a-company-called-blackrock-shapes-your-news-your-life-our-future/  , https://innotechtoday.com/blackrock-is-the-biggest-company-youve-never-heard-of/
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2024 1:18 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):


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What in this war can Russia take responsibility for? I ask only to begin to form a basis of facts built on the notion Russians are not infallible. Can anyone answer?

Probably we prefer to NOT take any responsibility at all. It works good for West in decades, and even for Israel, China, India, Pakistan, etc. May be after 100 years some Russian president will made an apology with crocodile tears about something bad happened to someone, like https://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/10/01/us.guatemala.apology/index.html  
The real question is  - how Putin plans to build-up relations with ukrainians in case of some kind of 'victory'. Of course, switching TV programmes to opposite will do a lot of work (like it did well in Ukraine after 2014), 10 mil mostly pro-nationalis population fled to Europe will help greatly too, but after visiting some 'liberated' places in person, it definitely will not be enough. And it is a mystery for me...probably Russia will face an british-irish relations at its worst. Like Poles before and during WW1.


Cannot take responsibility and shifts answer to the west.

That's a hat trick!


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2024 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Some folks ridiculously expects that capitalists in russia will be sainter that Pope, suddenly. It is not how it works. Communists had ideology that proclaims something generally good, and thus was at times forced to do something in oppose to their current interests. Russia is no longer communist, communis, is nearly dead and comminists party candidate took merily 4% of votes, and don't even had grounds to outcry about manipulations or something, being unable to driver even a hundred of people on the streets. So nothing stops capitalists from doing their interests, even if that interests are dozen wars all around globe - even failures they can convert into profits.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2024 4:42 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/20633399

On third year of war! Nothing new though: https://www.viki.en-us.nina.az/Bribery_of_senior_Wehrmacht_officers.html
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