Dima
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An "Atomic" community or a "Close Combat" community?
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Close Combat community indeed, but w/o Atomic there wouldn't be any CC community..
you could try at least  .
TJ, with all due respect, but:
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- COI is CC3 with XP/Vista changes and a new campaign/maps
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making it less historical and realistic than even vanilla CC3.
but who cares, CC3 is outdated .
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- CCMT is CCM with new data/maps
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i would not mention that as something good, if i were u.
that was actually such act of infamy for S3T after which big part of community realised that probably nothing good could be made by S3T as they hardly understand what they do.
but still there was tiny hope  .
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- WAR is an improved CC5 with bugs fixes and enhancements
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fixing bugs and adding features is very cool but not when you make many more new bugs and ruin SAI.
and the last thing but not the least was that able, generous, "Im not KZ - I love modders" S3 team made most of the main CC modding tools absolete for the most "modfriendly CC release" in 1 day w/o giving something new in return (sry, Excel is not a modding tool).
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COI/CCMT had limited changes and offered little to CC vets if you had CC3 and or CCM (through the marine gazette).
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u know, i will open a secret to you, 99% of CC vets don't play vanilla versions of CC.
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WAR on the other hand is the first title that Simtek/S3T seemed to put some effort/resources into code changes.
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and actually at first glance it seemed pretty cool . And then we looked closer... that just put everything on the right place .
check:
http://www.closecombatseries.net/CCS/modules.php?name=Surveys&op=results&pollID=35&mode=&order=0&thold=0
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With two more re-releases planned which Simtek/S3T example from above will be followed???
Then supposedly comes CC6???
Will Simtek/S3T with Matrix have the resources to make a new CC instead of a re-release???
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probably puting "???" after each question shows that you don't believe in that either . |
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Therion
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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COI/CCMT had limited changes and offered little to CC vets if you had CC3 and or CCM (through the marine gazette).
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Taking in account that CCM was practically unmoddable and had even worse data errors as CCMT, I would say that it's a huge improvement (like from something that is barely playable and stuck as it to something that can be made a bit more playable). |
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CSO_Talorgan
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Dima wrote:
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you could try at least
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Oh, all right then!
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An "Atomic" community or a "Close Combat" community?
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Close Combat community indeed, but w/o Atomic there wouldn't be any CC community.
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So you won't be changing the name hereabouts to "The Atomic Series"?!
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Will Simtek/S3T with Matrix have the resources to make a new CC instead of a re-release?
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I reckon so. |
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schrecken
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:09 am Post subject: |
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Atomic Games created Close Combat - The Best PC game I've ever seen.
Unfortunately they walked away from it leaving it only half finished... they get no pats on the back for that. |
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squadleader_id
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:31 am Post subject: |
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And we've been enjoying and playing (some of us religiously) these half finished CC games for the past 10+ years...
And all those mods (total conversion is a more accurate term) and lasting community support for these half finished games...strange  |
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schrecken
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:52 am Post subject: |
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Ok - so now everyone loves Atomic and they've done no wrong.... I stand corrected.
The support I've had from atomic these past 9 years ago has been exemplary |
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mooxe
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:36 am Post subject: |
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When Matrix stops flooding the universe with clones of a 10 year old game maybe some of us will put faith into them that they can actually make the next new CC. Untill then I think only Atomic has the interest for that.
Is it just me or does the next planned rereleases of CC5 (probably with mods attached)and CC2 seem tiresome? I am sure theres alot of work going into them, bug fixes, enhancements and all that stuff. Its great that maybe some mods will be released with them to. But come on already, its still the same game over and over. None of them will ever revive online. These projects are just little cash cows to line peoples pockets at Matrix. Matrix will make some money on it and it will be a success for them, end of story. Its too bad some of the brightest members of the community have been blinded by the opportunity to make money from thier hobby as they believed it was the last chance CC had to survive. |
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schrecken
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:43 am Post subject: |
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Mooxe
If you don't like them...., don't play them... why have a hobby site dedicated to something you're tired of?
Is it just so you can whine and moan about how good things used to be ?
mate, you're getting old... give up now, go find a hobby that excites you.
Tens of thousands are buying them, so the effort is worth it... I've now got a game that is improved and expanded over any preceding versions... for me, life's good! |
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squadleader_id
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:49 am Post subject: |
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Ok - so now everyone loves Atomic and they've done no wrong.... I stand corrected.
The support I've had from atomic these past 9 years ago has been exemplary
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The thing is...a lot of games (to this day) were released unfinished...and then supported with patches. We know that Atomic (and SSI) practically folded after releasing CC5...so how could they have supported the game (it's great that even the CC5 patch came out)?
At least CC5 even with all the bugs was still very playable, even with the crappy AI...CC5 still had H2H.
Look at CCWAR...even after 10 years of living with the CC5 bugs and unfinished features...S3T could not squash all the bugs...and in the process even introduced new glitches.
Most of us are just glad that the original makers of our fave wargame is still interested in picking up where they left off and hopefully develop the next CC. |
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mooxe
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 5:02 am Post subject: |
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Tens of thousands are buying them, so the effort is worth it... I've now got a game that is improved and expanded over any preceding versions... for me, life's good!
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When you stop using sales as a barometer for success, and start using the reason that put us where we are today, maybe then you will wake up and reshape the focus of S3T. |
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schrecken
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 5:29 am Post subject: |
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The barometer is the game... it's the most playable version of CC available today.
The sales figures show, though, that your whining is locked into the CCS forum where you preach to the converted ... it just echoes around in this hollow chamber.
S3T is just a handy way of referring to the people that are actually doing the work in pushing CC development.... funny how many ppl here keep mailing me with offers of doing work if I send them some $$$$ ... it wouldn't take much to rip the heart out of the "true believers at CCS"
I've even had an offer from one of your cohort for them to cease slinging mud at our work if I send $$$ ... yes I have the email saved.
Thing is there's no money to send... nearly all the work is done by volunteers (repeated ad nauseum)
But back to Atomic
How many people that made CC1 thru 5 are now in the Atomic Team?
What do they know about making your favourite WaR game?
We haven't squashed all the bugs, true... the code was a mess, not annotated and in many ways designed to fight against itself when given a set of decisions to make.
Destineer/matrix/Atromic are the suits that run the "franchise" ask them if there will be a new CC engine... will it then be CC.... will you care... there are lots of other "new" engines available out there... which one is better than WaR? |
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mooxe
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 6:21 am Post subject: |
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The barometer is the game... it's the most playable version of CC available today.
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How is it any more playable than CC5? It does have the most unplayable strategic map, zoomed in to a rediculous level, with more disconnections between maps than any mod ever made. Ok but its compatible with Vista and has a zillion options dropped into a text file most people will never ever figure out.....
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The sales figures show, though, that your whining is locked into the CCS forum where you preach to the converted ... it just echoes around in this hollow chamber.
S3T is just a handy way of referring to the people that are actually doing the work in pushing CC development.... funny how many ppl here keep mailing me with offers of doing work if I send them some $$$$ ... it wouldn't take much to rip the heart out of the "true believers at CCS"
I've even had an offer from one of your cohort for them to cease slinging mud at our work if I send $$$ ... yes I have the email saved.
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CCS is one of the few dedicated forums to talk about it. To some, the acronym CCS has become synonymous with whining about close combat because theres nowhere else to go and complain where someone will listen.
There are no converted people here, there is no preaching and theres certainly no extortion going on that can be taken seriously. Everyones opinions are there own and hold no more weight than the next mans.
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What do they know about making your favourite WaR game?
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Lets hope they have forgot about the original CC engine and come up with something new. Now theres some hope... |
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schrecken
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 6:37 am Post subject: |
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Lets hope they have forgot about the original CC engine and come up with something new. Now theres some hope...
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Why?
Do you know it will be better?
The development team listen to the community... that cannot be denied!
Doesn't mean there are not a bunch of whiners on this boared... that don't play CC anymore but still like to whine about it... it's an addiction. |
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Dima
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:59 am Post subject: |
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S3T is just a handy way of referring to the people that are actually doing the work in pushing CC development.... funny how many ppl here keep mailing me with offers of doing work if I send them some $$$$ ... it wouldn't take much to rip the heart out of the "true believers at CCS"
I've even had an offer from one of your cohort for them to cease slinging mud at our work if I send $$$ ... yes I have the email saved
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and they could be understood as they realised that seems it will take ages to get playable version of WaR but modding WaR for free (with Excel and txts  ) is very time-consuming and unpleasant business  .
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We haven't squashed all the bugs, true...
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thing is that u added more and implemented GS(c)
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the code was a mess, not annotated and in many ways designed to fight against itself when given a set of decisions to make.
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good to know...i wonder how could we play CC1-5 till now... |
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TTorpedo
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| Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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So finally some good news!
Atomic + Redstorm cannot be bad. Close Combat series and the first 3 Rainbow Six are among my favorite all time favorite games.
PS: And what the hell is a "Historical shooter" ? |
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southern_land
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| Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:22 am Post subject: |
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| Lee harvey Oswald LMAO |
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CSO_Sbufkle
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| Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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I've even had an offer from one of your cohort for them to cease slinging mud at our work if I send $$$ ... yes I have the email saved.
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Somemone is actually Blackmailing you?? Wow.. even by my strandards.. thats low...
This in fact irks me a great deal... so perhaps to clarify since I have actually been on both sides of the 'money for CC' fence.
For those asking for money to work on things like this, trust me, you do it for the love of doing it, you wont get much money in the end. If your looking to maybe suppliment some spending money, okay, dont plan on paying your mortgage with it. Thats not just with 3T either, making games, especially when its not a new blockbuster like CC, is a low paying gig at best. I have done work for a few companies now and in fact the biggest well known company was the lowest paying.. lower than what Simtek paid.
The one thing Ill give the guys making these glorified mods, (dig dig) they dont get paid much at all.
When I added up the hours I put into the RAF GUI (along with Olorin) and the maps I did for it, it was less than minimum wage per hour. I can tell you that Shane could likely get twice as much money and hed likely be only close to mimimum wage because of time involved making maps for WAR.
I wont however back down that once you get paid, you accept the professional tag, and the light held up to you is different.
But the idea soemone wants to get paid to shut up is f***ing crazy. Id post that email if I were you... or at least let the cat out of the bag because thats soemone who should be sent to exhile in the same place as Brake went... |
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schrecken
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| Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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No, I don't think so.
There has been nothing said since... it may even have been a rash and now regrettable statement on the persons part.
We'll wait and see what happens on that score. |
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CSO_Sbufkle
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| Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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There has been nothing said since... it may even have been a rash and now regrettable statement on the persons part.
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Yeah.. good point, In fact it might have even been a poorly executed joke or sarcastic remark... |
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mooxe
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| Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I dont think anyone actually believed money would of changed hands. |
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