So, EU dictates the immigrant policy of its members O_o ?
Yes if you are coming as a "refugee".
Of course that does not apply for whites, for example: white farmers from RSA which are going trough genocide there.
Impressed with Drill's comments. As a liberal leftie socialist type myself, I do not expect much sensible debate with Americans on the whole, but it is a mistake to generalise. Once you get past the hype, media, and vested interests, I have found that Americans seem to be in favour in principle of having decent health care for all.
There is no 'free' healthcare anywhere on the planet. Someone pays for it. I pay for it out of taxation, and have no objection to that, even if it helps towards paying for someone else's treatment. The flip side of that, is that someone else is also paying for my treatment. The sum of that is that everyone is paying for everyone's treatment.
Bear in mind that the only way you are going to get universal services is through taxation. If you leave it to individuals, they will only pay for what they want, and by extension, the devil take the hindmost. The current (or soon to be previous) situation in the USA regarding healthcare seems to be a good example of that, unless we are to believe that everyone is able to get decent healthcare?
As to the argument that there isn't enough money for healthcare? Baloney. As already pointed out, trillions have been spent on Iraq and continue to be spent on Afghanistan, so don't insult me with that argument.
There seems to be this misguided attitude that what is good for me is good for all. If paying no tax is good for me, then it must be good for everyone. It is a specious argument. I have no problem understanding why people do not want to pay tax. It leaves you with more money. It's just human nature, but I do not think you need to have more than minimal intelligence to work out the consequences of nobody paying tax. The issue is about what you want and how much you are prepared to pay to get it. The 'social' issues arise when it comes to dealing with your attitude to how your money is spent on other people. Americans seem to resent this more than most. That is certainly the impression I get.
On the other hand, 'free' healthcare for me is good for all. 'Free' Schools for me is good for all, so it is not the principle that is broken, but as with just about anything, it is more about how it is applied.
To some degree, I see the Americans now being faced with the challange or consequence of their own ideologies. The enterprise culture does not provide social equanimity, and that is now coming home to roost. This must confuse and alarm those dedicated to the cause. Now it is down to the balance of care, that is how much do you care (about the circumstances of your fellow citizens)? People are starting to realise that business is not about social welfare, but making money for the owners and shareholders. The question is what (if anything) is anyone going to do about it?
Our Mrs Thatcher illustrated one of the lies, when she stated that enabling the wealthy to get wealthier would lead to social benefits becasue the extra wealth would 'trickle down' to everyone. What a joke! They did what human nature drove them to do, and keep all the extra wealth for themselves. The other lie is that becasue 'I' can do it, then everyone can do it. Opportunity does not guarantee equanimity either. The millionaire who started in penury claims that because he can do it, so can anyone. It's bullshit. So why isn't everyone who tries to become a millionaire a millionaire? The reasons are pretty obvious, but it merely demonstrates the lie.
For decades, the American psyche has been brainwashed and hoodwinked by people who are the very antithesis of socialism, in it's widest and least political sense, achieving extremes in such phrases as "Reds under the bed". It has developed into a paranoia. Americans seem to be the most paranoid people around, and paranoia prevents objective, logical thinking. This was illustrated by a street interview I saw when an American woman jumped up and down screaming (literally) that she refuses to accept an approach to healthcare such as the NHS because it was 'Communist'. Talk about ignorance! Breathtaking. Yet these are the kinds of attitudes that drive many Americans it seems to me.
I accept that I am not an American, and that I probably do not understand in every particular. Mea culpa. However, you can argue and rationalise yourselves into a hole if you are determined and ignorant enough. Sometimes, a simple perspective can illustrate simple truths. The devil is then in the detail. If a Nation is unable to provide decent healthcare for all it's citizens, then what does that say about the Nation? Any Nation, not just the USA. Argue and rationalise all you like. The truth is still there. Face it, or avoid it. Thankfully, America has a President who is prepared to face it. Once decent healthcare for all has been established for a while, I would not be surprised for the attitude to change to one of "how the heel did we never do this before", and any suggestion of retruning to the previous situation met with "over my dead body".
Progress, of sorts...
You must have missed the 20th century.
It's not about socialism, or capitalism, or who has money, or who does not have money.
It's about eliminating the useless. A theme that will grow louder and louder over time.
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