Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 5:02 am Post subject: Malmedy Massacre according to Fox News
This is a classic 2006 clip of Keith Olbermann Cutting Bill O'Reilly down to a stub after Bill O'Reilly rewrites the
Battle of the Bulge on Fox News. Includes rare film from 1944.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:14 am Post subject: Re: Malmedy Massacre according to Fox News
Isnt it amazing how two people can read eyewitness accounts from a free and independent witness, and also both versions of an historical event. Can also come up with totaly different versions of sombody else`s reality!
Ok im sure that history was not only written by the winner, but his view would probably be shouted down, by the smelly majority who had lived it in reality.
All we can do is sift the grains for truth and look for the lesson in life..
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:32 am Post subject: Re: Malmedy Massacre according to Fox News
It is funny that killing small group of people is called a massacre while bombing German cities into rubble is just called an operation.
Well, winners write the history period
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:31 am Post subject: Re: Malmedy Massacre according to Fox News
Faux news continues to completely flabbergast me. Not to get all misguidedly patriotic, but this just simply wouldn't happen on the BBC. If it did, there'd be hell to pay. Why is american news so politically polarised? Why can't news be god damned objective!?
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: Malmedy Massacre according to Fox News
Malmedy was a massacre, no doubt about it. The Western Allies did the very same things on various occassions, if one decided to dig a bit for some info only one shovel of dirt removed would have been enough, but this...
It is funny that killing small group of people is called a massacre while bombing German cities into rubble is just called an operation.
Well, winners write the history period
No it isn't contradictory at all. In Total war, (like WWI and WWII, Vietnam, Korea etc.) the civilians are a legit target (and just for the balance sake you could have mentioned London, Coventry, Warsaw, Belgrade, or at least a dozen of other cities terror bombed by the Germans). By killing, maiming or dehousing them you reduce your enemys power to make a war. Period.
The same thing is with the combatants UNTIL they chose to surrender. After the act of surrender they (i) cannot make war anymore and therefore are (ii) protected by international treaties. So, when you kill the enemy who have surrendered it's a murder. If you kill him during the firefight it isn't.
Quite easy.
Now connect the dots. If Harris continued (by some miracle) to destroy Germany after 9 May 1945, it would have been murder, just as the Malmedy POW killings are.
Malmedy was a massacre, no doubt about it. The Western Allies did the very same things on various occassions, if one decided to dig a bit for some info only one shovel of dirt removed would have been enough, but this...
It is funny that killing small group of people is called a massacre while bombing German cities into rubble is just called an operation.
Well, winners write the history period
No it isn't contradictory at all. In Total war, (like WWI and WWII, Vietnam, Korea etc.) the civilians are a legit target (and just for the balance sake you could have mentioned London, Coventry, Warsaw, Belgrade, or at least a dozen of other cities terror bombed by the Germans). By killing, maiming or dehousing them you reduce your enemys power to make a war. Period.
The same thing is with the combatants UNTIL they chose to surrender. After the act of surrender they (i) cannot make war anymore and therefore are (ii) protected by international treaties. So, when you kill the enemy who have surrendered it's a murder. If you kill him during the firefight it isn't.
Quite easy.
Now connect the dots. If Harris continued (by some miracle) to destroy Germany after 9 May 1945, it would have been murder, just as the Malmedy POW killings are.
True and I hate it
So when hitler had declared war to all jews, it would have never been called 'holocaust'?????
I call it hypocrisy of war. War & killing each other means all rules & treaties have failed.
We are the pilgrims, master. We shall go
always a little further, it may be
beyond that last blue mountain barred with snow,
across that angry or that glimmering sea.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: Malmedy Massacre according to Fox News
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Why is american news so politically polarised?
And not just American. It's called propoganda, not news. News is an independant and objective statement of whatever is being reported. Propoganda is when that is 'adjusted' in order to satisfy a particular agenda. At best, it's opinion. Unfortunately, unless you have had a good education (and by that I mean a good general knowledge with a high degree of realilty) and are able to think for yourself objectively, it is easy to accept and buy into the opinion.
It seems to be becoming more common that (some) American Schools are trying to rewrite the history books, and 'adjust' science. What is the point? None of course if what you are interested in is objective and factual.
War is the ultimate dehumanising experience. It dehumanises everyone involved. Atrocity is atrocity regardless of who perpetrates it.
Once you accept the wanton destruction of innocent people, then you have signed up for the dark side in blood.
Rules of War? That only makes sense if you can have independant umpires, but what you are not prepared to do as well as what you are preapred to do, also defines you and your 'civilisation'. If the ends justify the means (e.g. Horishima/Nagasaki), then you have to live with that. The trouble is it is not a science, but a judgement, and one that can never be 'proved'. Was the massacre of all those civilians in Hiroshima justified on the grounds that it shortened the war, and therefore less people were killed? I am a pacifist, but also a realist. Not nuking Hiroshima would not have stopped the war and reduced casualties, and there was no other option involving less slaughter that could have done that. It is therefore the better of the choices. But you still have to live with the consequnces of that, including morally.
Fox News is a mouthpiece for someone, as it includes such opinion in its 'reporting'. As all content is controlled, then just look to who the controllers are. If you can find out what they are about, then you will understand more about what it is they want to try and do. Follow the money...
Civilians should never be a legitimate target. Never. A necessary evil at the very end of need only. Whether enemy military are (whether combatants or not) is more debatable. POW's who attemtped to escape would in my opinion relinquish any claims to be treated as non combatants, as they are engaged in direct action agaisnt the enemy. At the end of the day, it is how you perform that defines you, not how your enemy performs, and to justify your own actions based on what the enemy are prepared to do is dodgy logic at best.
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: Malmedy Massacre according to Fox News
All those POW killings like Malmedy, Moselle crossing, Biscari, 11th armored div (US), then alleged killing of TODT workers in commando raids, killings of the wounded Germans in Africa (NZ troops) etc. are in fact minor compared to the estimate that puts the number of Soviets shot shortly after being captured at600.000!!!
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