Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:01 am Post subject: Re: Heated political/religious discussions
reasons:
1. it is on account of the wickedness of these nations
2. to accomplish what he swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob
Deuteronomy 9
9 Hear, Israel: You are now about to cross the Jordan to go in and dispossess nations greater and stronger than you, with large cities that have walls up to the sky. 2 The people are strong and tall—Anakites! You know about them and have heard it said: “Who can stand up against the Anakites?” 3 But be assured today that the Lord your God is the one who goes across ahead of you like a devouring fire. He will destroy them; he will subdue them before you. And you will drive them out and annihilate them quickly, as the Lord has promised you.
4 After the Lord your God has driven them out before you, do not say to yourself, “The Lord has brought me here to take possession of this land because of my righteousness.” No, it is on account of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord is going to drive them out before you. 5 It is not because of your righteousness or your integrity that you are going in to take possession of their land; but on account of the wickedness of these nations, the Lord your God will drive them out before you, to accomplish what he swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. 6 Understand, then, that it is not because of your righteousness that the Lord your God is giving you this good land to possess, for you are a stiff-necked people.
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:07 am Post subject: Re: Heated political/religious discussions
what was the wickedness of the nations?
Deuteronomy 12
29 The Lord your God will cut off before you the nations you are about to invade and dispossess. But when you have driven them out and settled in their land, 30 and after they have been destroyed before you, be careful not to be ensnared by inquiring about their gods, saying, “How do these nations serve their gods? We will do the same.” 31 You must not worship the Lord your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the Lord hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods.
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:02 am Post subject: Re: Heated political/religious discussions
Stwa… You successfully avoided answer any of my 6 questions.
Bible quote "as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. [...]. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who hath known a man by lying with him. But all the women children, who have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."
Questions:
1)The bible sort of suggests that Moses was told by God that he should do things… Is that correct?
2)Are the things commanded good moral things?
3)Is the bible fiction, Or is this real?
4)Did God talk to Moses, or did Moses just make that up? If God did not say that to Moses, why did he say that God told him that? If so, then Moses was a liar?
5)Or, if Moses never said it, why does the holy bible say that God told Moses what to do? And that brings me to the question, did the people who told the bible story’s lie? Is the bible a lie?
6) If Moses OR the bible story tellers lied and made things up, then how comes that the new testament say the following:
Luke 16: : “Abraham replied, ‘"They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ " & “‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’” --> If Luke say Abraham say we are to listen to Moses, shall we not listen to Moses.. Why didnt Abraham say that Moses or the bible story tellers where liars
what was the wickedness of the nations? Deuteronomy 12
29 The Lord your God will cut off before you the nations you are about to invade and dispossess. But when you have driven them out and settled in their land, 30 and after they have been destroyed before you, be careful not to be ensnared by inquiring about their gods, saying, “How do these nations serve their gods? We will do the same.” 31 You must not worship the Lord your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the Lord hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods.
Stwa, take notice of David, he did not fail this time but actually gave an good answer. Honour to him.
I know your a clever guy Stwa ... As you already figured out, this was point aimed for.
Back to David: So I guess we should not generalize, and say that all morals coming from a book will be black and white and simplistic.
I was under the false illusion that the inner morals was superior over the book morals, as it was soft and gray.. I now see that there are perfectly reasonable and good moral reasons to kill children and woman, and “taking” the virgins.
All the sudden even AGS ideas starts making sence.
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:24 am Post subject: Re: Heated political/religious discussions
I kinda expected that, but you know Stalky, I just want you to save yourself, so your soul wont turn to dust with the rest of your body.
Here is a story that is good for the young adult crowd, and sometimes it helps to explain why wacky stuff happens in the Old Testament. Its pretty simple, and maybe simple is what you need right now. Me thinks your brain has been overloaded.
Even to this very day, theology is changing as understanding is attained and truth revealed. Still to this very day, social culture is causing corruption within churches (i.e. ordination of gay pastors ) .
[No, no, no no.. most of us don’t like to be worshiped. Though, there are a special type of personality who like that.
Actually, i think what davidssfx realy meant, and should have wrote, is:
Hmm, don't we all like to be praised?
But on the topic of worship.
Worship does not nescesarily mean stuff that you may imagine Stalky, its not all kneeling down and saying: "You are so great" to God
I mean, i'm sure God is well aware of His own greatness and does not need to be told
Worship includes many aspects.
Worship, at a basic level, is just giving attention.
So worshipping God includes things like:
Reading His Word (the Bible)
Time spent in Prayer, (even if it includes begging God to save MF and Stalky from eternal death)
General acts of kindness that you would not have ordinarily done.
Defending your faith in God from the attacks of a horde of rabid atheists in an internet forum may also be considered an act of worship
Worship can also be fun. For example, the Praise and worship sessions during chuch services often include a lot of joyful singing and dancing to contemporary music.
If this behaviour against prisoners can develop in 2005? by educated Americans from a land where most people testifies to be Christians…. Why cant similar things happen in Soviet GULAGs in 1945?
If something bad is done in Soviet you scream bloody atheists … but when a Christian European/American does something.....
LOL
(A) digital cameras were not invented in 1945
(B) Every American atheist is suddenly labelled a christian when it suits Stalky
Actually, by Christ's standards, all of us are sinners (1), Christians and atheists alike.
The only difference between Christians and non-Christians, is that Christians have accepted God's gracious gift of faith, forgiveness and Eternal Salvation (2), gained by accepting the atoning Sacrifice of Jesus Christ ,who vicariously paid the penalty for our sinfullness.
Just to make things abundatly clear, as a Christian, i have no righteousness of my own (3&4).
My only righteousness, is not my own (4), but rather, it is Jesus Christ's righteoussness, which is credited to me, as a gift, of God's grace (5) (thanks Jesus).
(1) for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,(Rom 3:23)
(2)For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God {Eph 2:8}
(3) And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags; (Isa 64:6)
(4) not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ--the righteousness that comes from God and is by faith. (Phil 3:9)
(5) This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. (Rom 3:22)
Therefore, i am not like these selfrighteous atheists who like to judge themselves as "better" than others.
And if you study the penthouse forums you come to realise that although you never thought it could happen to you; actually it can... usually with a blond
(A) Blondes are overrated, many of the women from my sordid past were blondes.
They became tiresomely boring.
Dark sultry passionate women are the best
(B) Are you sure she was blonde?
Nowadays, you cannot check the color below to find out if you are the victim of a snow job
(C) That thing you thought may never happen, was it a postive pleasure (like losing your virginity), or, negative thing, like catching a venereal disease?
Yeh I know what you mean. We also seen similar new types of crimes here done by the Christian pastors. ... This is one of the new type of christian crime here: The Christian pastor killed his first wife, and then had his second wife murdered by his kidz nanny, who he also sent to kill the neighbour, who’s wife the pastor was fecking
Nothing new about that at all
Murder is a popular passtime in Sweden.
Apparently, more popular than anywhere else.
Quote:
According to the INTERPOL data, for murder, the rate in 2001 was 10.01 per 100,000 population for Sweden, 1.10 for Japan, and 5.61 for USA.
Sweden has one of the highest rates of reported rape in Europe.
http://www.thelocal.se/19102/20090427/
Of course you could not blame your islamic immigrants(1) for Sweden's record breaking rape statistics, it must be just A Swedish thing..........
Is one reason for killing once own children worst than another, or do you mean that "this" reason was not as good as the "Australian"-"christians" reason for killing there child? ? Is that what your saying? ..
No Mr strawman
It is just a new and unique a motive.
Just like in Sweden, probably 99% of children killed here by parents are infants.
There are no Christian reasons for killing a child, but apparently it was a legitimate reason in islam.
Doubt even an atheist would kill their own child for being too Australian.
AGS; Do you have a ranking list, like a "Top 10 - "Christian"/"Australians" best reasons for killing your child"”? Cant you paste it here, I whant to see it. Please...
No top 10, but here is a top 5 reason Australians kill their own child
(5) My child was sick and i thought the methadone might help
(4) Self defense, my child was trying to kill me
(3) My child was crawling across the driveway while i was reversing my car and i did not see him/her
(2) The child was terminally ill, was a complete vegetable (BrainDead), so we turned off the life support
(1) The best reason: i thought he might grow up without any integrity and be like AT_Stalky
Tell, me AT_Stalky, do you WANT, or NEED, islamic influence in your society?
This question is NOT Rhetorical!!!!!!
Either you answer it, honestly, or you should never post in this thread again.
You successfully avoided answer any of my.. questions.
As see it, you have 5 options here:
1) You can lie and say:
"Yes, i want/need islamic influence on Swedish society"
By telling such a blatant lie you expose your total lack of integrity
2) Be honest and say: "No, i dont want, or need, islamic influene on Swedish society."
In which case you expose your hypocracy for berating me for writing it
3) Never post in thread again
Which, in itself, by default, would be an admission of your hypocracy and prove that you dont have the integrity to answer my question as i answered yours
4) contunue posting without answering.
Which proves that you dont have any inetegrity and that you are too ashamed to admit to your hypocracy.
5) Apologise for your hypocracy and your barrage of attacks on my faith and myself
This choice would be the only option that would show that you have any integrity at all.
David, do you understand the laws of probabilities?
Setting:
4 different balls.
The balls can only be attached as the image illustrates: (Gray can only be attach to Green, Green can only be attach to Blue, Blue can only be attach to Red.)
Lets say that we have a basket with the 4 different balls. And you take a random ball,
Now, consider the the law of probability, and tell me what the chance that they attach, Gray-Green-Blue-Red, as the image illustrate:
David, please help me here, give me the probability of this event
Wether or not davidssfx understands the laws of probabilities realy does not matter, i'm pretty sure, no, very confident, that you dont comprehend the laws of probabilities when applied to the irrational, illogical and amathmatical theory of evolution.
On top of the astronomically ridiculous, mathmatically impossible odds already pointed out in davidssfx's link.
Those odds also need to be multiplied further, by even more astronomicaly ridulous, mathmatically impossible odds.
Now, the unscientific guestimates put life on earth existing for approximately only 4 billion years
In this time, all told, the number of species of life scientically guestimated, to exist today, to have existed and become extinct, both flora and fauna, is approximately, about 4 billion species.
This means, science would have you believe, an average of 1 new species appeared, every year, happenned accidently by random chance and against astronomical improbabilities.
The unscientific theory of evolution proposes a slow, gradual change.
The evidence shows a fast explosion of life and species
A SLOW process of change?????
As usual, all the factual evidence points away from the unscientific theory of evolution
Just look at any one species of animal.
The unscientific theory of evolution wants you to believe, that over 4 billion years, a single cell accidently mutated, but almost always invariably, in positive, clever ways, millions, or billions of times to become a complex system (the integrated body) of complex systems (Neurological, skeletal, Muscular, Vascular, Hormonal etc) each made up of othe complex subsystems (at the celular level) all programmed to form harmoniously with the most ingenious source code known to man (DNA).
What are the odds of that!
Multiply the odds of that by 4 billion.
We all know, that it only takes 9 months for a single cell to grow into a human being ...
Why? How?
Because that how it was PROGRAMMED to happen
4 billion years would not even be enough time to form a single protein, let alone a planet bursting at the seems with life popping out in every conceivable and inconcievable place, in every conceivable form and many inconcievable ones too.
There are literally thousands of species that exist that laugh in the face of evolutionary theory
To accept the notion that, that all this exists because of trillions x trillions x trillions x trillions x trillions of fortuitous accidents all happenning in the bargain basement period of only 4 billion years, takes more than a religious amount of faith, many shiploads of naive gullibility to swallow.
Why do people go against all reasonable and logical sense to accept such a massive fairy tale?
Because they want to bury their heads in the sand in order to avoid facing reality
People dont like to be accountable to God, it is more comfortable to just cruise along, judging themselves as "OK" by their own subjective morals
They just hang on to the vain hope that God does not exist
The evidence of God is everywhere, in every direction.
Face the facts, you will have to face God eventually.
If you aint for Him, GOD will be against you
But cheer up, there is hope, the solution is easy, just ask Davidssfx or MF_Church
Tell, me AT_Stalky, do you WANT, or NEED, islamic influene in your society?
This question is NOT Rhetorical!!!!!!
Either you answer it, honestly, or you should never post in this thread again.
You successfully avoided answer any of my.. questions.
As see it, you have 5 options here:
1) You can lie and say:
"Yes, i want/need islamic influence on Swedish society"
By telling such a blatant lie you expose your total lack of integrity
2) Be honest and say: "No, i dont want, or need, islamic influene on Swedish society."
In which case you expose your hypocracy for berating me for writing it
3) Never post in thread again
Which, in itself, by default, would be an admission of your hypocracy and prove that you dont have the inetegrity
4) contunue posting without answering.
Which proves that you dont have any inetegrity and that you are too ashamed to admit to your hypocracy.
5) Apologise for your hypocracy and your barrage of attacks on my faith and myself
This choice would be the only option that would show that you have any integrity.
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