[Stwa]

Sometimes I think I have seen pretty much all there is to see in a CC game.

After all, I have been playing a long time, but I admit, most of it against the AI. So, this thread is dedicated to the things that keep me playing this wacky game.

So, all you overrated Game Ranger types, behold Stwa's seminar for precise CC tactics.

Check your weapons at the door, and NOOBS Need Not Apply.

[Stwa]

CC4 Dasburg

I guess after you have played a few thousand games or so, crazy stuff just doesn't register, like it did when you first started out.

It is amazing how much luck plays a part in CC battles. Check out the map below. I have used colored rectanges/squares to mark just a few locations that are visible on the screenie.

Yellow: American AT gun threads a clear shot between 2 buildings to take out German Panzer IV.

Red: German sniper, uses dead buddy for cover, and snipes American BAR Rifle squad in the woods.

Green: American Bazooka team needs all five rounds to hit German Panzer IV at extremely close range.

[platoon_michael]

Please disclose all information.
1) Where was the AT_Gun,Sniper,Zook Team?

You can just highlight them on the .MMM if you want using same color codding method.

[Stwa]

I tried to indicate both source and target with the indicated colors on the main map. Just zoom out the screenie, and you should see the colored rectangles.

I could not show the location of the AT gun, but it was in the Northwest corner of the map, just south of the American held VL. You can see that on the mini map. Next time I will mark the mini map too, as you suggested.  

The sniped American BAR squad are displayed in the Soldier details pop-up on the right.

[MajorFrank]

Nice. That's what makes CC-series stand head above rest, the chaotic scenes of the battlefield. Makes me want to get Modern Tactics, as I only have the 'ancient' (but still good) CC3 & 5.

[platoon_michael]

Those are all acceptable LOS inmho

What you didn't do was attack the Bridge with enough support for your Tank.
And you didn't use the shallow water crossing to the south.
There for your attack failed and you will have to play this map again in order to get the exit VL you truly need.

Better Luck next time.

[Stwa]

[platoon_michael]

Do you even have a point here?
And who you calling Noob?

[Pzt_Crackwise]

Sorry, but playing against the AI in any game of the CC series does not help to improve a person's tactical skills, actually it rather dulls the player's tactical thinking. Playing against the AI may be only considered as a means of practicing the mod and maps. Otherwise it is very boring due to the AI's timid and uncoordinated attacks.

So, to stwa and other CC brothers out there, I would strongly recommend that you play against human opponents online, of course if you have the time and if you prefer more challenging gameplay. Gameranger is actually pretty decent for online CC and there are people around most of the time.


Pzt_Crackwise

[Stwa]

[Stwa]

[platoon_michael]

You should have titled this  "The Crystal Ball Thread"

[Stwa]

[MF_Church]

Any effort to post a thread to enlighten and share personal joys is a 'blessing.' {Hence} [Let's not get too personal or take it too personal]

Let's as TEAM close combat players try to 'add' to that & if need be die to our hurt emotions b4 we place them in here.

It smarts! I know.  

But we all will think the other fellow IS Smart! for having done some needful 'curbing'.

You can still say what you like... just lacking the sting and vingar and more edifying info for all to read about our love for this game.

Thanks to Stwa for starting this and everyone who added to it!

It is richer for it !  

p.s.  I would love for everyone to Join me in a FREE trial For ww2online.  

p.p.s.  I think everyone would love it.  (Maybe love it too much.)  And with everyone's talent for ww2 games.. what a blast!!!  :)

:D

[Stwa]

As some of the Noobs above suggested, Single Player games can and will dull your tactical thinking.

However, these same Noobs also postulate, that Multiplayer games can sharpen your skills. It is this primary (and never ending), misnomer that will be challenged in this thread.

Multiplayer has a number of shortcomings, that most gamers just do not want to discuss.

In this thread we will talk about tactics, but in a different sense than you are acustom. We will focus on eliminating brain dead decisions, that always seem to make the other side seem lucky. (as in our Dasburg example)

But first, lets clear the air about Multiplayer, so Noobs can fully understand what it is and is not about.

[Stwa]

Most Multiplayer Games Lack Imagination

As you might imagine, multiplayer lounges grow up defining their own culture over time. (like most social web sites). It is this culture, that defines site rules of decorum, but more importantly site rules concerning the type of combat each game will normally present.

This is necessary, so players will not develop missions where the opponents feel like they have been ambushed or suckered into a game they cannot win.

In so doing, the missions lack creativity and imagination. Not so in Single Player games as the following exageration should suffice.

[Stwa]

Most Multiplayers Overestimate Their Value as Tacticians

The assumption is that one is playing against Human Players and winning, therefore the applied tactics are surperior than those that can be applied in any Single Player game.

Good tactics are always important and they can be applied in Multiplayer AND Single Player games.

But good tactics are NOT everything, as the following screenies will cleary show.  

[Stwa]

Multiplayers Must Trash the AI by Rote

It's a byproduct of their culture, so I am including it here in support of the Lack of Imagination argument.

But wouldn't the capabilities of the AI be partially determined by its Force Prototype or Battlegroup.  

Wouldn't the same hold true for the Human/Multiplayer.  

OH, don't forget to apply those good Human Player tactics.  

[Pzt_Crackwise]

Stwa, it is really hard to follow your point mate yet alone understand your motivation. I don't know if you are being sarcastic about multiplayer gamers and what they argue, but I would recommend spending your time in a more useful manner, since I don't think I am the only one who has a hard time trying to understand your arguments. Or perhaps you are trashing around the game's silly AI, and I didn't get the joke?

Pzt_Crackwise

[Stwa]

Most of these Noob Articles (over the years), have been an effort to get players to get involved in the details of CC.

As a general rule, I do not try to tell people how they should have fun with these games, or how they should spend their time on the site.

If you can't understand the threads, then keep trying, if you feel up to it. Just remember, they are normally geared for Noobs (people just starting out).  

The multiplayer/singleplayer argument is as old as the hills, and its a lot of fun (for moi) to contrast the two.