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  Terrain Challenge: Terrain Challenge #8 (Solved!)
Posted on Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:40 am by webmaster
Terrain Challenge

Submitted by Franzauk. No hints!



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Re: Terrain Challenge #8 (Score: 1)
by mooxe on Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:41 am
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Looks like vinyards to me. No guess as to location tho.




Re: Terrain Challenge #8 (Score: 1)
by Senior_Drill on Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:03 am
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I sort of agree with Mooxe. Long north to south fields with what appears to be east-west "crop" rows. This is a very large area with at least 3 small communities. The tree areas are in leave yet there are dry areas and evidence of mineral leeching from the hills in the north. A semi- arid region.

The size of the fields and the regular pattern says this is a "newly settled" area. Within the last couple hundred years as the fields are large and regular that have not been broken up by generations of partitioning to surviving sons. The fields are far too large for most of Europe.

I think Franzauk has brought us back to southern Africa again, unless he is deliberately trying to trick me with somewhere in Oklahoma! Gonna have to look at both now.




Re: Terrain Challenge #8 (Score: 1)
by Franzauk on Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:25 pm
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It is vineyards today, but at the time of the battle it was open ground. It is not Africa.




Re: Terrain Challenge #8 (Score: 1)
by Senior_Drill on Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:52 am
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Hey, I thought you said "no hints"! But thanks, that narrows things down quite a continent or two! Now stop it!




Re: Terrain Challenge #8 (Score: 1)
by mooxe on Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:25 am
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Around the center, there looks to be two large craters.

At the top, looks like some bluffs.




Re: Terrain Challenge #8 (Score: 1)
by Senior_Drill on Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:30 am
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Yes, they do look like bluffs and quite dry, or at least lacking soil. Notice the lack of vegetation on the slopes compare to the other areas. There is another hill on the right side of the map with what might be a mound in the upper right corner. At the bottom is another rise.

The road (and I do believe that this is a road and is not a railroad line that tripped me up before) running West to East, or at least left to right goes over a low hill on the left of center in the picture. It isn't all that high compared to those at the top, but enough to change the retangular pattern of the fields in favor of the farming access roads. The road passing over that hill seems to have an old road and a new bypass section above it. To the rightof center, the road also seems to go over low hills, or at least rough country, but does not follow a creek bed.

While it probably has nothing to do with the battle we are searching for, the diagonal structure at top center puzzles me. A viaduct? A mine adit? Environmental porn art when viewed from space?

Dunno.




Re: Terrain Challenge #8 (Score: 1)
by Franzauk on Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:39 pm
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Ok so some hills at the top, right and bottom and a nice flattish ground...want units would work here?



Re: Terrain Challenge #8 (Score: 1)
by Senior_Drill on Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:23 am
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Thanks for trying to help this one along, Franzauk, but the anwswer to "What units would work here" are, pardon the expression, legion. Among many others, there are Greek Phalanxes, Assyrian Chariots, Roman Legions, Mongol Hordes, Spanish Tercios, Bengal Lancers, the Cheyenne and Lakota Sioux tribes, just about any of Rommel's units and just about any of Schwartzkopf's units.

As Guderian said: "It is all good tank country. Some of it is just better than the rest."

So far we know or can safely assume:

1. This terrain was undeveloped at the time of the battle,
2. The battle occured on the flat lands.
3. It is not somewhere in Africa.
4. The some of the units involved were best used on flat, open terrain.

The game is afoot, Watson!


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Re: Terrain Challenge #8 (Score: 1)
by mooxe on Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:58 am
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Any unit would work prefer higher ground. Higher ground seemed to be the bigger objective in WW1 than it was in WW2.

Many of the defenses were fought from over looking bluffs, like Vimy Ridge for example. Germans defended from up high.

Vinyards... WW1... hmm... maybe the farmers were to scared to be plowing the fields every year because of the amount of UXO's in the soil. So they planted the vinyards instead of regular crops.

France does do a lot of wine!

Are we on to something here?


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Re: Terrain Challenge #8 (Score: 1)
by Senior_Drill on Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:25 am
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I'd say not, Mooxe. The land was not developed at the time of the battle. Hardly an acre of France, especially good bottom land like in the image, wasn't totally cultivated by 1500 and broken into small fields by the 1700's. The fields are just too larger and too regular. Most of the fields are (if the orientation of the image is to be believed) true north to south, with the rest at a declination of about 7 degress west, which could be magnetic north.

It just don't look like anywhere in France or Belgium that I can find in Google. I gotta reload NASA's World Wind again for a fresh set of eyes.




Re: Terrain Challenge #8 (Score: 1)
by Buck_Compton on Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:59 am
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Hey Senior_drill,

My first tought when looking at this picture was the valley where the german armed forces escaped the rushing allied forces in southern France... But I can't find the location. but it even might be Italy or Spain what we are looking at...

or are we fully of scope... meaning are we looking to the wrong continent... seen the fact that this map looks well cultivated and organised we might be looking at plantations... maybe India or Indonesia?

About the units wich might be deployed. I have to agree with SD almost everything can be deployed here... most likely not Airbone's other than that you could deploy almost everything in this kind of terrain. Recon, Tanks, Infantry....

Its hard to narrow the scope on this map... even Mafi isn't able to solve this one ;)

Cheers Buck




Re: Terrain Challenge #8 (Score: 1)
by Franzauk on Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:07 pm
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In the movie 300 was involved here the number is double and 'Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right,
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.'



Re: Terrain Challenge #8 (Score: 1)
by mooxe on Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:40 pm
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Charge of the light brigade?


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Re: Terrain Challenge #8 (Score: 1)
by Senior_Drill on Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:26 pm
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Yeah, that is it. The battle of Balaclava, a prelude to the Siege of Sevastopol during the Crimean War.

600 and "to the left" and "to the right" made it too easy.


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Re: Terrain Challenge #8 (Score: 1)
by Franzauk on Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:26 pm
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Correct Mooxe

Half a league, half a league,
? Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
? Rode the six hundred.
'Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns' he said:
Into the valley of Death
? Rode the six hundred.
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'Forward, the Light Brigade!'
Was there a man dismay'd?
Not tho' the soldiers knew
? Some one had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
? Rode the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
? Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
? Rode the six hundred.

Flash'd all their sabres bare,
Flash'd as they turned in air
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army while
? All the world wonder'd:
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right thro' the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reel'd from the sabre-stroke
Shatter'd and sunder'd.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
? Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell,
They that had fought so well
Came thro' the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of Hell,
All that was left of them,
? Left of six hundred.

When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
? All the world wonder'd.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Light Brigade,
? Noble six hundred!
—Alfred, Lord Tennyson



Re: Terrain Challenge #8 (Score: 1)
by mooxe on Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:58 pm
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I was going to read the book, "The Reason Why" about why they did the charge when they knew it was certain death. I didn't get around to reading it, and returned it to the library weeks late.. anyways... have a look at that book if you have interest in this battle.


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